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RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 15:42 (permalink)
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ORIGINAL: 1Fast400


Well, that’s the problem with that secratogue-what’s-it’s-name-again-supplement. If you use the supp. as recommended there’s stil a slight chance you can die from it. I don’t know any other supplement that can kill you without warning when using the recommended dose.



There isn't a chance you can die from it. Look at facts rather than Raymond's personal rant. That is all it is. This disease NVCJD has never appeared in the USA. They don't even get it from cows, they use pigs. Even if I took it off my site, you guys would just find another product to go after and somehow blame me for it.

No, we only go after supplements that are potentially lethal. You have to believe us that we don’t have anything against you personally. Well, maybe Raymond sounds a bit hostile but he has some credit as he started the whole topic.

And if you were right all the time, if we get 100% rock solid proof that the product isn’t dangerous in any way, I will fall on my knees and beg for forgiving. No kidding. I realize that our posts do sound quite hostile. But it’s in nobody’s interest to insult you or get you upset. We just want an honest answer/discussion on a potentially lethal supp.

By the way, it’s no wonder there are no cases of NVCJD in the U.S.A., that’s because of the long incubation time.
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    RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 15:54 (permalink)
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    By the way, it’s no wonder there are no cases of NVCJD in the U.S.A., that’s because of the long incubation time.



    Explain how cases have been found in England? That is how this disease got its name, from appearing there. It is basically a term for the human form of mad cow. Blame the british for all this blij
     
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      RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 15:56 (permalink)
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      No, we only go after supplements that are potentially lethal.


      Devils advocate.....you could say this about any supplement. At what point do consumers have to take some responsibility?
       
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        RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 16:09 (permalink)
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        If you take it to extreme’s than even water or salt can be lethal. But if you take the supplements recommended dose it shouldn’t be lethal.

        I can explain why the disease has appeared in Britain. Because they probably ate contaminated meat a long time ago (or was the secratogue supp already on the market back then?).

        If in 50 years there are still no cases of NVCJD in the U.S.A that lead back to the use of a contaminated supplement I guess you were right all the time. But till that time, there is still no proof that the supp isn’t dangerous.

        I hope you are right that we are all acting like a bunch of paranoid morons, and that the supp is 100% safe to use. But unfortunately you don’t seem to be able to take my doubts away.
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          RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 16:10 (permalink)
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          Really Mike; When everything is coming on your way, you are going the wrong way.
          < Message edited by Raymond Han -- 15/4/2004 16:25:58 >
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            RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 16:23 (permalink)
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            I can explain why the disease has appeared in Britain. Because they probably ate contaminated meat a long time ago (or was the secratogue supp already on the market back then?).

            If in 50 years there are still no cases of NVCJD in the U.S.A that lead back to the use of a contaminated supplement I guess you were right all the time. But till that time, there is still no proof that the supp isn’t dangerous.


            It's secreted out of PIG Brains.

            There should be a slight difference between Cows and Pigs, but maybe you can help me out? knipoog

            I'm supporting Mike on the supplements which are good or bad. It's up to the people who wants to buy them and not the responsability of the resellers from these so called not working or terribly bad supplements.

            I believe in Mikes integrity! Even though he wants to make some money. Heck i wished i had such a good running internetbusiness.ja ja
             
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              RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 16:25 (permalink)
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              ORIGINAL: MaxMuscle
              It's secreted out of PIG Brains.

              There should be a slight difference between Cows and Pigs, but maybe you can help me out? knipoog

              Pig brains can’t contain prions?ja ja
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                RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 16:30 (permalink)
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                Lauw;

                Eating pig brains are even dangerous , because they could contain prion diseases as well. In pigs they have discovered a disease called BASE, with the same symptoms as with BSE (cows).

                Ray
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                  RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 16:46 (permalink)
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                  I'm supporting Mike on the supplements which are good or bad. It's up to the people who wants to buy them and not the responsability of the resellers from these so called not working or terribly bad supplements.


                  I disagree with you; resellers should have an own responsibility, especially when we are talking about a serious subject like this. I can imagine that adults make there own decisions, but minors could order this without any control as well.

                  Keep in mind; once a person gets infected with prion diseases; death is inevitable; that is quite a difference with Vitamin-C
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                    RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 16:59 (permalink)
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                    Ray,

                    I know you take this personal and you stand up for the ingorant one.. the minors etc.

                    But please do not insult Mike and of course that counts for everyone. Don't lose your temper as if your brain is allready affected.

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                      RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 17:07 (permalink)
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                      I will ask my father for some information... hopefulley he is allowerd to give me some information. It is his work to research this and if there is somebody who can give the right answers then it's him.. unfortenatelly most of his information is top secret so mostly he can't say much.. but gonna ask blij
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                      There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die
                       
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                        RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 17:35 (permalink)
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                        I can explain why the disease has appeared in Britain. Because they probably ate contaminated meat a long time ago (or was the secratogue supp already on the market back then?).


                        No, some cows ate infected bone meal, which then ended up in humans. It tends to affect younger people and has early psychiatric manifestations. That is how they were able to find out, it occurs quickly.

                        It is my understanding with the NV condition, it is seen faster. Obviously this is the case since the trace of origin was found with the condition in the UK.
                         
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                          RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 17:38 (permalink)
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                          Keep in mind; once a person gets infected with prion diseases


                          I agree with you, but you have zero proof that the MHP product would have this issues. Believe it or not, our farm industry has regulations to prevent such things from happening. We have to trust those laws. Just like we have to trust other filtrations systems in regard to our water and so on. There is always a chance something could happen. Your ALA could be poised with rat poison if there was a bad employee at the factory. We assume things like that don't happen.

                          Also, in the USA, it is not easy for a minor to get a credit card and be able to purchase. Of course it COULD happen, just not likely
                           
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                            RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 17:41 (permalink)
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                            Hmm, somehow I also think we just won’t agree. Time will tell who was right. Or maybe soulreaver’s dad can come up with a definite answer.
                            Till then, I won’t hesitate to order from your site. But it will not be secratogou (how the f*ck do I spell it anyway?knipoog)
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                              RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 18:03 (permalink)
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                              In regard to the comment I made, it is a fact that that NV version was found in the UK due to the contamination of bonemeal fed to cows. I spent less than 5 minutes looking this stuff up. I keep telling you, Raymound is going to find something else wrong on my site if I take that product off. I might just do it so I can see what he goes after next. I've sold a whopping 4-8 of them in 2 years.
                               
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                                RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 18:07 (permalink)
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                                That is how they were able to find out, it occurs quickly.


                                I am sorry Mike; here is a case that it could take 11 years;

                                http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/06/mad.cow.victim/index.html

                                CNN) -- At 24, Charlene should be finishing up her master's degree or taking other steps to plan her future. Instead, she's become a statistic.

                                Charlene is the only person living in the United States with the human form of mad cow disease, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (Her parents don't want the family's last name revealed for reasons of privacy.)

                                Her case has taken on renewed interest since the U.S. Department of Agriculture confirmed the first appearance of mad cow disease in the United States last month, sparking concerns about the nation's beef supply.

                                Doctors at the CDC said they are sure Charlene caught the disease while living in Britain.

                                She lived in England until moving to Florida 11 years ago at age 13. So far, 143 people in Britain have contracted variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease or vCJD, also known as the human form of mad cow. Six of them are still alive.

                                The disease -- linked to eating infected beef -- was first reported in the United Kingdom in 1996. There is no known cure for the degenerative, fatal brain disorder. This disease is not to be confused with classic Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease, which has been reported for decades. The National Center for Health Statistics show cases of classic CJD occur in about one in a million people and usually strikes people in their sixties and seventies.

                                According to the CDC, Charlene sought medical help for memory loss and depression in November 2001, and a month later she reported involuntary muscular movements, changes in her walking and difficulty in dressing.

                                Her condition continued to worsen. In less than a year, Charlene was bedridden, unable to eat by herself and no longer able to communicate with family members. Doctors had given her a few months to live when CNN first interviewed her family in October 2002.

                                Since then, her parents said Charlene has not gotten any better nor has she become any worse.

                                "She has stabilized from the last time we saw you," said Charlene's dad, Patrick. "... They gave her three months at that time, and it's over 15 months now ... and she is still here. She has not deteriorated."

                                No cure available yet
                                How remarkable is it that Charlene is still living? U.S. and British health officials declined to comment about her condition, citing patient confidentiality. But a statement from the British Department of Health illustrates how little is known about variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

                                "It remains the case that there is still much that we do not know about vCJD," the statement reads. "For example, the route of infection, the incubation period, the level of exposure required to cause the disease and the possible role of genetic susceptibility. It is likely to be some years before we are able to make soundly based predictions about the future course of the disease."

                                Modern medicine has found no cure yet, but members of Charlene's family said they will not give up. They bathe and feed her, caring for her around the clock.

                                "How Charlene's mom does it, I don't know," Patrick said. "I'm amazed every day. It's tough on her -- it really is to be in this room every day. Because you can't leave. Sometimes she might need help breathing. ..."

                                A neurologist who saw CNN's original report on Charlene's condition was willing to try something new. He offered to give Charlene hyperbaric treatments -- pumping pure oxygen into her lungs -- which may help the brain function better. She gets treatments three times a week.

                                "When she first came in, she was virtually comatose, nonreactive," said Dr. Richard Neubauer of the Ocean Hyperbaric Neurologic Center in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea, Florida. "[She] could not obey commands, did nothing."

                                Neubauer said this procedure is no miracle treatment. He said he felt it was worth a try with Charlene since the treatment has alleviated other brain disorders.

                                "After 192 treatments, she's not only alive, but she's trying to talk," he said. "She's responsive and trying to respond to simple commands. [But she] still [has] a long way to go."

                                Charlene's dad agrees that the treatments have helped.

                                "She has put weight on. She looks brighter. She moves around a lot more. She murmurs a lot more," Patrick said. "So yes, I would say that there is some physical difference."

                                Charlene's family members said the recent announcement that a cow in Washington state tested positive for bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE, concerns them.

                                "I was very upset that lessons have not yet been learned," worried Sharon, Charlene's aunt.

                                Patrick said, "It's like being in England all over again, reliving this BSE thing and being told the meat is safe to eat. If ... we believe our government on meat safety, if we are told any differently, my daughter would not be lying here right now."

                                Charlene's father and aunt said they aren't against the beef industry, but they said they do worry that some other parent's child could fall victim to variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

                                "I am not giving up on my daughter, not for one moment," Patrick said. "I think if we've come this far, we can go further, and I hope one day and pray she'll walk off this bed. I have no doubt."

                                CNN's Miriam Falco contributed to this report.
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                                  RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 18:22 (permalink)
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                                  I agree with you, but you have zero proof that the MHP product would have this issues.


                                  And neither you can exclude this chance for 100%. And you are reselling this supplement, not me!

                                  I happen to know somebody who has used this supplement. For him I truly hope you are right. Time will learn.

                                  If you are a real hero, you try this supplement yourself, then I will fly directly to the states to see you swallow it, then lets wait what will happen in the future.

                                  Can you find out the names and addresses of the people you sold this supplement to, so I could contact them??
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                                    RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 21:43 (permalink)
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                                    I took it 2 years ago, I'm not dead yet.
                                     
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                                      RE: Why was my original topic closed do 15-apr-04 23:49 (permalink)
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                                      Let's wait another 9 years then.......
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                                        ORIGINAL: 1Fast400

                                        In regard to the comment I made, it is a fact that that NV version was found in the UK due to the contamination of bonemeal fed to cows. I spent less than 5 minutes looking this stuff up. I keep telling you, Raymound is going to find something else wrong on my site if I take that product off. I might just do it so I can see what he goes after next. I've sold a whopping 4-8 of them in 2 years.

                                        No Mike I don't think Raymond has anything against your site or you personally.. (although in the heat of the debat it seems like that) it's just that he is convinced that products with secretagogue in it can possibly harm people and therefor it shouldn't be sold at all.

                                        a whopping 8 of those in 2 years super blij.. aha.. that is how you can affort the gas for your mercedes super blij, and you used 1 yourself.
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